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Started March 22nd, 2023 · 187 replies · Latest reply by Khaotix523 9 months ago
tim.kahn wrote:
...The other thing I noticed that is small and probably just me, when the process of uploading/describing was complete and it goes back the the "manage sounds" page, the first thing to catch my eye is the sad frown face which immediately made me think something bad had happened and the upload didn't work...
I almost wrote something about that myself. There are still plenty of people using Windows Vista and 7 who cannot see these emoji. Upgrading their browser/language support won't help. So they'll always see those emoji as rectangular boxes.
When I use my browser in dark mode (firefox) there is a problem on the world map with the colors when choosing a sound. I don't see any buttons and title of the sound in question. It will be white letters and buttons on white background.
When I use 'edit sound description' the ENTER key doesn't work.
It is no longer possible to copy/paste tags to describe similar sounds while tagging/describing multiple files (not using the bulk tool). If you copy the text from multiple tags they will now create one tag with all the text rather than multiple tags.
Edit to add: on the page https://freesound.org/home/sounds/manage/pending_description/ (once the description process is complete) clicking on my icon does nothing, usually it will bring up a menu. The "..." doesn't seem to function either.
Another edit: When you go to someone's page and scroll to the bottom and click "see all sounds by [user]" I wish the results could have the default be "group sounds by pack" off rather than on. Maybe that could be something users could select in their settings if people don't want that to be a universal thing.
klankbeeld wrote:
When I use my browser in dark mode (firefox) there is a problem on the world map with the colors when choosing a sound. I don't see any buttons and title of the sound in question. It will be white letters and buttons on white background.
I just fixed problems with maps and dark mode.
klankbeeld wrote:
When I use 'edit sound description' the ENTER key doesn't work.
I just fixed that bug, thanks.
tim.kahn wrote:
It is no longer possible to copy/paste tags to describe similar sounds while tagging/describing multiple files (not using the bulk tool). If you copy the text from multiple tags they will now create one tag with all the text rather than multiple tags.
This is something that I actually tested and wrote some code to allow this copy/pasting. I tried and it works for me. Can you write some steps to reproduce the error? Also indicate browser.
tim.kahn wrote:
Edit to add: on the page https://freesound.org/home/sounds/manage/pending_description/ (once the description process is complete) clicking on my icon does nothing, usually it will bring up a menu. The "..." doesn't seem to function either.
Also I was not able to reproduce this error. Maybe was some temporary issue? Let me know if you can reproduce this error consistently.
tim.kahn wrote:
Another edit: When you go to someone's page and scroll to the bottom and click "see all sounds by [user]" I wish the results could have the default be "group sounds by pack" off rather than on. Maybe that could be something users could select in their settings if people don't want that to be a universal thing.
Hmm yeah I can see that this could be useful. I'd prefer not to add an extra setting for something "small" like that. But maybe it could be a default behaviour? Does anyone else have opinions on that?
Besides the fixes commented above, I also released some extra fixes and improvements related to previous comments:
@klankbeeld: I investigated the issue with the wrong samplerate. This is unrelated to new UI, but is affecting all non-44.1kHz wav/aif files being uploaded in the last 2-3 weeks. Thanks for reporting! I'll fix that and re-process all sounds that need it.
Preface: Why is there back connections to Google.com now? I don't see any need for this here, even Google fonts can perfectly be hosted locally (real time connections to Google fonts for instance are illegal under EU jurisdiction since Jan 2022, for a reason)
Anyhow:
- html tags in message bodies instead of plain text markup language, like Markdown or Textile? That seems a bit backwards thinking.
New UI
- dark UI does not work well here, not enough contrast, f. i. #848495 is too dark for menu items to be readable.
- much waste of reading spac in layout generally. If i could attach an inline image here (*hint) I'd make a stylus redesign and attach it here. Information can b much tighter wih much less padding.
- generally high contrast is better for all kinds of people with different reading abilities. Please keep the visually impaired in mind.
Why not let use choose our own background and font colors, family, size and line-height?
Map:
Entries on map lack download count and/or rating + file type. Supply this and it makes much more sense.
Prefer the old UI yet. Text had better readability, cleaner layout, less distraction from other items, less wast of space. Now all is padding.
Please don't throw away the good stuff just because you want to try sthg. new.
And the 3rd party background issue is important. Be transparent about your back connections, so people can back out, if they don't want Google (or other) tracking.
Thank you!
frederic.font wrote:
@klankbeeld: I investigated the issue with the wrong samplerate. This is unrelated to new UI, but is affecting all non-44.1kHz wav/aif files being uploaded in the last 2-3 weeks. Thanks for reporting! I'll fix that and re-process all sounds that need it.
jayrope wrote:
Preface: Why is there back connections to Google.com now? I don't see any need for this here, even Google fonts can perfectly be hosted locally (real time connections to Google fonts for instance are illegal under EU jurisdiction since Jan 2022, for a reason)
We've in fact been removing Google connections (analytics, maps, etc) in the last years and now the only Google thing we use in the website itself if recaptcha. The connections to google you see are to load the recaptcha widget. This could actually be optimized and not having it always loaded, only when the registration modal is requested. The google fonts connections must be related to that as well because IIRC we don't use google fonts in the new UI. But anyway I'll further investigate that.
jayrope wrote:
Anyhow:
- html tags in message bodies instead of plain text markup language, like Markdown or Textile? That seems a bit backwards thinking.
Sure, this is just how it was in the "old" UI. Something to improve in the future. In fact for the help section we are already using markdown instead so it should be quite simple to port it to the other parts of the website.
jayrope wrote:
- dark UI does not work well here, not enough contrast, f. i. #848495 is too dark for menu items to be readable.
I increased the contrast in the light theme, I thought it was fine in the dark theme but I can increase it more. Probably also make the background a bit darker.
jayrope wrote:
- much waste of reading spac in layout generally. If i could attach an inline image here (*hint) I'd make a stylus redesign and attach it here. Information can b much tighter wih much less padding.
Please go ahead, you can attach images using the img tag Or just put a link. I have reduced paddings compared to the original design. I can try to reduce them a bit more.
jayrope wrote:
- generally high contrast is better for all kinds of people with different reading abilities. Please keep the visually impaired in mind.
Why not let use choose our own background and font colors, family, size and line-height?
You can probably change these things using 3rd party tools. One of the pending things to do is an accessibility audit to see what things should be improved from that point of view. The main thing we had in mind was improving compatibility with screen readers, but of course other things can be improved there.
jayrope wrote:
Entries on map lack download count and/or rating + file type. Supply this and it makes much more sense.
Entries on the map show similar information as sounds in the "grid" view which is used in many places. I'm thinking how to add more useful info there without making it too cluttered. Rating is most likely going to be added there. Also icons for license/pack most likely. I'll see what else can be added.
jayrope wrote:
Please don't throw away the good stuff just because you want to try sthg. new.
That is not what we did. Current UI was designed 15 years ago and it was updated/expanded over the years without much planning. This results in many inconsistencies in the UI and code which is not very maintainable nor extendable. We have now re-written it from scratch and this has enabled us to prepare the UI for the future. We've taken the opportunity to re-design it to make it more modern (which after 15 years I think it was a good thing), and we have already added many new features which provide many new interesting possibilities (like for example showing spectrograms).
frederic.font wrote:
@klankbeeld: I investigated the issue with the wrong samplerate. This is unrelated to new UI, but is affecting all non-44.1kHz wav/aif files being uploaded in the last 2-3 weeks. Thanks for reporting! I'll fix that and re-process all sounds that need it.
Hi Frederic,
Sorry but now I see that the bit Bitdepth is wrong too. 16 instead of 24 ( original was wav 48000/24
I didn’t find out earlier.
Regards
1] Start new UI
2] click on a sound of the 'latest additions' ore 'Trending sounds' ore one of the others
3] on that soundpage click on 'downloads' and it opens in the old UI
I'll investigate the bitdepth issue, it will be related to the previous one.
About some pages opening with old UI: this is to be expected because these have not yet been ported to the new UI
Thanks!
frederic.font wrote:
I'll investigate the bitdepth issue, it will be related to the previous one.
About some pages opening with old UI: this is to be expected because these have not yet been ported to the new UIThanks!
Ok thanks for all that
Hi there, i'm really glad that the UI is getting some love !
I like the color scheme and the fresh design.
One thing that could be inproved in my opinion is the fact that the play and loop button are by default hidden when a sound is not hovered and apear when whovering sounds.
I understand that it was probably made to make the UI feel less cluttered but It can be quite frustraiting to have to wait to see where I should click to listen to a sound every time I want to listen to a new sound.
I think showing the buttons by default would be preferable sinse it should not make the UI to cluttered and would be a lot more usable for people searching for sounds.
Thanks a lot !
Hello!
I know that such a page change is complex, very, very much work and the technical reasons described by Frederic here I can also understand.
The previous version was compact, clear and concise. Everything at a glance! And on top of that very good to use. Click to the page, the essentials in front of your eyes and then what you wanted to do was also done quickly and easily.
Yes, now it looks "modern". Modern, restless, unclear, contourless flowing in all directions. It looks exhausting, terribly exhausting. I have now tried it for days with the new layout, because it always takes a little time to get used to changes. But sorry, exhausting, exhausting, exhausting!
It's really uncomfortable for me to write it like this, because of course I know WHAT work was done by those involved here.
The background tech is certainly useful/necessary, but the site would have been better served by dusting off the old look a bit, giving a fresh touch, making a few moderate adjustments, and otherwise keeping it broadly the same.
I've really always enjoyed coming here, but I actually have now a massive click inhibition.
If you have something good and just to follow the spirit of the times, you think you have to change it, then (beyond all technically understandable reasons) you quickly end up with bad improvements.
Kind regards from Germany
Seelengold
This is a great step up from the previous website layout! Loving the modern layout so far!
Hi everyone!
Thanks a lot for your comments. Here is a short update since my last post:
Hello Frederic-Font,
thanks for your reply with the information.
First, because it's really important to me: it's not my intention to make an ill-considered criticism-round-about at Freesound, with the intention to put the site down just for fun. Quite the opposite is the case. Precisely because FS is so close to my heart, that's why I'm commenting on it. Otherwise I could care less...
The technical innovations were not part of my criticism, just as little the new functions. Both are expressly welcomed by me. It is "exclusively" about the layout.
To divide an overall impression of the new page into single points of criticism is difficult because of the smallness of the matter. Therefore I try it again differently:
The central point of FS are the samples. These are presented compactly, clearly and concisely in the previous page with all the associated information. You know where they start, you know where they end. Always to be grasped with a glance, clearly delimited from each other, always to be distinguished clearly - also from the environment. FS fully achieves the set task of conveying the samples quickly and clearly.
For the new page, I'll use the following analogy, since I think it might convey what I meant well: Everyone has seen a flock of starlings (or any other flock of birds or fishes), everyone knows it.
The characteristic of such a swarm is that the observer perceives it in its entirety, but cannot perceive the single individual, the single starling, the single fish. The swarm is a completely shapeless/amorphous mass in itself. The observer can recognize practically no single animal, since all flow together to exactly this amorphous mass. This explains then also the now irritation of the viewer, in this case of the falcon, which is no longer able to "peek out" a single starling. to produce a single star morphology. He sees only the total shape, the total event, the flock of birds!
And the effort of the viewer to give this in itself contourless overall event - at FS now the new layout - a visually as "simple" and thus convincing handling as the previous page is... I'm sorry, but I have to repeat it even now: is terribly exhausting!
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Postscript: Just forgotten, but then also once again - polemically - noted: With pale fonts, at least I don't have the impression that this is modern, but that obviously simply the printer ink has run out...
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Many thanks to all who make Freesound possible!
Kind regards
Seelengold
(Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator. I apologize for any possible linguistic hiccups, but my English is not so fluent that I can just throw this out there. Therefore I let myself help a little bit.)
Is there a way to filter out sounds that cannot be used for commercial purposes? There really should be a way, I don't ever want non-commercial use sounds in my results. I want to see BOTH Creative Commons and attributions but NOT noncommercial. This seems like an essential filter to have on the UI.