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a wise man has spoken...

Our database knows all.
Hate taggin' would not be tolerated.
That said, we'd have to implement this and there are "more important things" I bet...

- bram

Bram wrote:
That said, we'd have to implement this and there are "more important things" I bet...

Like streamlining the upload/describe process for large batches. Mhhhmm

AlienXXX wrote:
My friend emailed me back around the same time, appologetic: "You know... I actually liked it better as it was..."

You’d be surprised about how many accounts I’ve read of big-name producers expending hours trying to ‘make it sound like the demo’.

I try to minimise serendipity in my music. Some people are the opposite way inclined, and I’m fine with that, but I like things to be repeatable. Of course, I usually fail miserably, and have to remind myself of a certain Mr Eno’s suggestion that the difference between composing and messing around is imaginary.

AlienXXX wrote:
I am not saying a "good sound" is not a good sound. Of course it is.
But sometimes, a "bad sound" could be just what you need.

As I implied in a post in another thread, bad sound is in the ear of the beholder.

klankbeeld wrote:
People can give tag suggestions as a comment under a sound if the realy want to. I can make my own decision to use it or not.

Thats my idea about this discussion.

The system we have now werks fine i think. Keep it simple.

And I very much agree with this, Klank.

OK I haven't finished reading the whole thread yet, but I've been wishing for some time now that Freesound had this feature. Here's an idea. Why not hold the suggested tags in moderation and let the original uploader approve or reject the suggested tags? If he gives no response yay or nay for, say 2 weeks, the request gets sent to a mod instead. He could also opt out of being consulted and click a button that says no thanks, let the mods handle it. You've said the feature has been rarely used in the past, so it theoretically shouldn't become a case of uploaders getting bombarded with tag requests... Right? Personally I would use it. Here's an example of a sound I would use it on.
http://www.freesound.org/people/Tito Lahaye/sounds/46954/
You would probably never find this sound unless you knew the name of the specific people/tribe involved, or in what city it took place. I've looked before for native American sounds and not found this, in fact I've found very little really. I only found it because I searched Asuncion, I couldn't find it in Paraguay.I would tag it Paraguay Asunción native-american indio native chant ceremonial initiation ceremony voice male-voice singing rattle acoustic lowfi field-recording
Perhaps the uploader could approve a certain user eventually, whitelist him or her as a trusted tagger for his or her sounds. Maybe that would be complicating things too much. I think things would be a lot easier to find if this feature were available, even if to only whitelisted users.

AlienXXX wrote:

Bram wrote:
In FS1 only people who had uploaded sounds could tag other people's sounds.

That would take care of many nines ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_availability#Percentage_calculation ) of people

- bram

I would still be scared about this because of "hate" tagging. User A may have uploaded a number of sounds, but suddenly develop a feud against User B and start tagging his sounds with rude words.
This might go unnoticed for quite a while. And when noticed could be quite a lot of work to undo.
Also, would not be traceable back to the offending user (like comments are)...

I used to love this feature, but now see so much potential for mis-use and abuse that I would really recommend restricting it to a few trusted users. The idea to give this capability only to whitelisted users sounds good to me.

jamesabdulrahman wrote:

klankbeeld wrote:
People can give tag suggestions as a comment under a sound if the realy want to. I can make my own decision to use it or not.

Thats my idea about this discussion.

The system we have now werks fine i think. Keep it simple.

And I very much agree with this, Klank.

True, until the original uploader dies or just doesn't care enough to come back and read his comments. Hopefully this site will last a century or more. It's 10 years old already. It's been my experience looking at comments on sounds I listen to that only a handful of Freesounders actually reply to comments.

The problem with comments at Freesound and at many sites is that the sound uploader gets notified of a commet. But the commentator does not get notified of a response. So, unless the uploader bothers or remembers to come back to check for replies, he/she will not see the replies.

Meaning: comments are not a good way to have a conversation.

Besides, uploaders get notified via email about their own comments, but this could be reasonably easy to filter out

AlienXXX wrote:
The problem with comments at Freesound and at many sites is that the sound uploader gets notified of a commet. But the commentator does not get notified of a response. So, unless the uploader bothers or remembers to come back to check for replies, he/she will not see the replies.

Meaning: comments are not a good way to have a conversation.

So true. The other day I went through all the sounds I commented on in October 2013 because I had used them for a Halloween special. Most of the uploaders had never come back and replied, and they got many more comments after mine. If you're an uploader and have dozens or hundreds of sounds uploaded, and you know the commenters probably won't be back to see you're reply, you probably won't bother. That's why this time, for Dare36, I sent a private message in addition to leaving a comment, and I got a few more responses back, even from uploaders who had uploaded that particular sound 10 years ago. Comments seem most useful to people browsing to see what other users thought about the sound, and how they used it. Good way to get your work out there too. I often read comments to sounds I really like.