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Ice-breaker
Started February 9th, 2014 · 55 replies · Latest reply by AlienXXX 10 years, 8 months ago
@luckylittleraven:
Ha ha yes, its interface isn't the friendliest ever, but once you... break that ice, it'll be a good tool.
This is the windows binary,
http://sourceforge.net/projects/hypermammut/files/paulstretch/2.2/paulstretch_win32-2.2-2.zip/download
the executable inside is ready to run, no setup needed.
Should you have trouble with the real time play controls, the fastest experiment you can do is load a very short wav, leave every parameter as is, go to the Write to file tab, check "32 bit", press "select all" and then "Render selection...". The file you'll save will be stretched by 8.04x.
Should it whet your appetite, the Process tab will put even more power in your hands 
Excellent! Now I actually have an interface (don't mind if it's unfriendly
) Before I just had a list of weird files . . . I actually got audacity working which has a paulstretch option so zagi2 I have mangled that loop like I promised. This is totally different software/concept for me so i hope you like it. http://www.freesound.org/people/luckylittleraven/sounds/219274/
not moderated yet
Thanks you guys I am looking forward to experimenting with this 
@AlienXXX, @copyc4t
Just wandering, what do you guys think of eq here:?
http://www.freesound.org/people/zagi2/sounds/219167/
There are: harpsichord, piccolo flute, drums and choir. All blanded together.
I did my best and applied all I had learned from MrXXX
@zagi2
Flute and choir sound a bit shy to me; you could boost them a bit without covering the lead harpsichord, by widening/spatializing them a little too, or alternatively, panning one slightly left and the other slightly right. All of this IMVHO of course, and according to my personal taste which is not always right or mainstream
Well actually panning is among your best friends the more sounds get together
It can help clearing the "mud" you hear when different sounds clash on the same frequencies, it can help recreating the feeling of facing a live orchestra if you pan the sections as you'd see them on the stage, and, if automated in the DAW, it can move sounds around, like a car passing by.
This is a nice thing for dynamic panning for instance, quick and fun:
http://www.cableguys.de/pan-cake.html
zagi2 wrote:
@AlienXXX, @copyc4t
Just wandering, what do you guys think of eq here:?
http://www.freesound.org/people/zagi2/sounds/219167/
There are: harpsichord, piccolo flute, drums and choir. All blanded together.
I did my best and applied all I had learned from MrXXX
Interesting choice... I think the harpsichord is a difficult instrument to mix with others, because of its sound. It is very metallic and thus covers a lot of frequencies with each note. I never tried equing it or mixing with other things. - Actually it is one of my favorite instruments to listen to (but never used it in my compositions).
Most pieces I have heard tend to have harpsichord on its own.
2 suggestions for you to try:
1) Use a frequency scope plugin and find the fundamental frequency of your flute notes. This means the lowest frequency, which is usually the highest peak on the spectrometer.
(Just play the flute on its own and look at the scope).
All your flute notes are likely to be within one octave. - Imagine you find the fundamental frequencies of your flute mellody are in the range 450-800Hz. Go to the Harpsichor part and put a notch (or an inverse peak filer) in that frequency range.
Now play both parts together. Any improvement?
Maybe you can also raise the volume of the flute a little?
2) You can try this on its own or combined with the technique above.
Take a distortion plugin. Simple distortion works best (something that does not add reverb/echo, etc).
Apply the distortion to the flute. If your plugin has dry/wet, set it to 90% dry or around that value. You don't really want to hear a noticeable distortion. What you want is to make the flute "jump out of the mix" - sometimes it is possible to do that with a bit of distortion. Works better on other sounds (such as violins or trumpets). The flute sound is very pure, so you will notice distortion even at low amounts... but worth trying.
If your plugin does not have a dry/wet, simply copy the flute part to another channel, put the distortion on it and lower the fader to 0, then slowly increase while you listen to the two parts play together.
If it does not work well, make sure to try it while you apply the notch QE to the harpsichord as well.
Any improvement ?
luckylittleraven wrote:
Excellent! Now I actually have an interface (don't mind if it's unfriendly
not moderated yet
Thanks you guys I am looking forward to experimenting with this
I like it, great job. No regret for being a guinea pig in this experiment
Still can't believe that it was the same loop.
I am currently working on a piece that uses luckylittleraven's streched version of zagi2's loop
http://www.freesound.org/people/luckylittleraven/sounds/219274/
Not much time to work on music, but will post when finished. Should be a few days.
This has certainly been a good introduction / ice-breaker!
Would be good if everyone that registered interest in collabs gets to post at least one or two loops and gets to manipulate at least one loop from someone and post back to Freesound.
Gt yourself out there and get talking to others! - that is how collabs start.
Ahhh... and you should make sure you keep the project files for the loops you created and for any manipulations you have made of other people's sounds. - You never know... You could get a request like "really like your loop, but not the snare. Can you change it for a snappier one?" or "Here is a bassline I made that works very well with your loop. Wanna do a collab?"
So keep those files!
AlienXXX wrote:
Ahhh... and you should make sure you keep the project files for the loops you created and for any manipulations you have made of other people's sounds. - You never know... You could get a request like "really like your loop, but not the snare. Can you change it for a snappier one?" or "Here is a bassline I made that works very well with your loop. Wanna do a collab?"
So keep those files!
Thus, reason (or any other midi-based sequencer), ftw!
afleetingspeck wrote:AlienXXX wrote:
Ahhh... and you should make sure you keep the project files for the loops you created and for any manipulations you have made of other people's sounds. - You never know... You could get a request like "really like your loop, but not the snare. Can you change it for a snappier one?" or "Here is a bassline I made that works very well with your loop. Wanna do a collab?"
So keep those files!
I have started keeping my projects. So any of my recent projects could be changed-altered. Eg,
http://www.freesound.org/people/zagi2/sounds/219538/
in any time could be guitar, violin, organ...riff. I just need to change midi route and instead of piano I send trumpets
Hope you guys see the point.Also.
There is a cool options in Cubase ( think in others DAW but not shure) I could print out, send as a jpg, any of my basslines, drums, melody etc in key editor. So the interested one, could see which notes (how long they last...) I used, and basicly, how I used them. Very helpful for collabs. I think.
Yes. Good point: when working with people with different DAWs don't forget that it is possible to export midi clips from every DAW I know of.
If you are using the same plugins (free or not) it should also be possible to save and exchange preset files.
So I could replicate a synth riff you created by using your midi clip and loading the VST plugin with the same preset.
Gets more complicated if you are using automation, as this is not usually saved with the midi clips (or might not work as expected at the other end).
AlienXXX wrote:
by the way... a lot of people uploading screams to Freesound at the moment. Must be for a students project.
Looks like the kind of sounds that could be abused a little. -> maybe fed straight into Paulstretch?
There was a thread that was asking for requests because (I believe it was this particular group) they were going to record a whole bunch of shouts and screams and chants and group sounds.
@zagi - I know exactly what you mean by the "other kind of screams" lol.
This is a good discussion, it's really great to communicate with other musos/creatives. Regretfully I haven't had much time to play this week, roll on the weekend!!
Thread gone very quiet guys and girls !
What are you up to? Given up already?
I am working on a piece based on some sounds that were posted by the participants to this thread. Should be ready to share in a few days. Still need to do some wortk on it and need to list all the samples I have used so I can attribute properly before posting online.
Anywaone else working on something that is related to the Collab Collective?
I have some pretty crazy loops I created during last weekend. Might clean them up and upload to Freesound, especially if there is any interest.
So, anyone still watching this thread?