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I think a lot of it comes down to the sound's utility (speaking in terms of the end user). You never know, a long 1-hour recording might just have that one particular sound someone's after.
At the end of the day, if it doesn't sound like a 3 minute song with a full-on verse/chorus/intro or any of that songish structure, I think it would be fair. More often than not, it is easy to discern whether or not a recording or a synthesis is a music/ambiance/soundtrack or not.

That said, I've always wanted to see some sort of a categorization so that soundscapes, loops and ambiances are separated from the noise (sound?)

As regards to your point on foley-only submissions, someone (think it was you) pointed out that there are way too many of those already. Which probably means stop all future sound uploads. Now that is something I'm not too sure about.

For me, a disappointing part about some of the posts in this thread is that people fail to realize freesound isn't a million dollar business off which someone is getting wealthy (I'd actually like to wager that cumulatively, freesound downloaders have made upwards of a million dollars by now by using the sounds here). To completely not contribute anymore because of the one experience is, to me, silly. That's a needless grudge to hold unless, of course, all your future samples are going to be of the same type as the one that got rejected.

Hi guys, I accidentally pressed the spam button on Mortradio in this thread. PLEASE IGNORE.

MORTradio, I'm really sorry, I think you are making a good contribution to this site, and I hope Admin check this out before they take action.

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strangely_gnarled wrote:
Hi guys, I accidentally pressed the spam button on Mortradio in this thread. PLEASE IGNORE.

MORTradio, I'm really sorry, I think you are making a good contribution to this site, and I hope Admin check this out before they take action.

Mortified,
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It takes a number of hits on the "report as spam" button before the alarms go off.
So don't worry.

afleetingspeck wrote:
I think a lot of it comes down to the sound's utility (speaking in terms of the end user). You never know, a long 1-hour recording might just have that one particular sound someone's after.
At the end of the day, if it doesn't sound like a 3 minute song with a full-on verse/chorus/intro or any of that songish structure, I think it would be fair. More often than not, it is easy to discern whether or not a recording or a synthesis is a music/ambiance/soundtrack or not.

That said, I've always wanted to see some sort of a categorization so that soundscapes, loops and ambiances are separated from the noise (sound?)

As regards to your point on foley-only submissions, someone (think it was you) pointed out that there are way too many of those already. Which probably means stop all future sound uploads. Now that is something I'm not too sure about.

For me, a disappointing part about some of the posts in this thread is that people fail to realize freesound isn't a million dollar business off which someone is getting wealthy (I'd actually like to wager that cumulatively, freesound downloaders have made upwards of a million dollars by now by using the sounds here). To completely not contribute anymore because of the one experience is, to me, silly. That's a needless grudge to hold unless, of course, all your future samples are going to be of the same type as the one that got rejected.

There are several reasons why certain types of sounds are 'useful' at freesound.
Different users look for different things.
- someone trying to build a srumkit in a sampler will be very happy to find all the pieces of the kit sampled at different velocities, and maybe even repeat samplesa t the same velocity (to use as round-robins and avoid the machine-gun effect).
- Some people look for samples of particulat types of kit (TB-303 for example)
- Some people are looking for foley and FX sounds.
- Some people (like DJs or people making movies) ask people to voice-act specific sentences.
- etc... All of the above more or less fall into the tycal sound seeker...

Then there are a few more exoteric uses that take place more or less behind the scenes. These are very important for Freesound.
- Some schools / universitites use Freesound as a means for students to upload their work (recorded, created)
- A studend developing a noise removal program could search for sounds containing people's conversations and background noise to use to isolate the voicers from the background.
- A student developing voice recognition software will have access to sentences spoken in many different voices - male, female, different accents.
- Another student developing a program to guess the BPM of a loop will be looking for completely different kinds of sounds.
- Etc - the above are examples of educational and research work that is done (or can be done) at Freesound or using Freesound.

afleetingspeck wrote:
I think a lot of it comes down to the sound's utility (speaking in terms of the end user). You never know, a long 1-hour recording might just have that one particular sound someone's after.
At the end of the day, if it doesn't sound like a 3 minute song with a full-on verse/chorus/intro or any of that songish structure, I think it would be fair. More often than not, it is easy to discern whether or not a recording or a synthesis is a music/ambiance/soundtrack or not.

That said, I've always wanted to see some sort of a categorization so that soundscapes, loops and ambiances are separated from the noise (sound?)

As regards to your point on foley-only submissions, someone (think it was you) pointed out that there are way too many of those already. Which probably means stop all future sound uploads. Now that is something I'm not too sure about.

For me, a disappointing part about some of the posts in this thread is that people fail to realize freesound isn't a million dollar business off which someone is getting wealthy (I'd actually like to wager that cumulatively, freesound downloaders have made upwards of a million dollars by now by using the sounds here). To completely not contribute anymore because of the one experience is, to me, silly. That's a needless grudge to hold unless, of course, all your future samples are going to be of the same type as the one that got rejected.

Alas, this is all a mute point, but the passion of Gerry Spence resides in all of us here at MORTradio, and so I respond (such is the curse of debate, its continuum), with the blessings of my companions.

Yes, it was me who stated in my 1st posting that "there are already enough 'Foley' type sounds here", to which I believe is true, but this is only my opinion. It is not my decision to make, and Freesound authority respectfully dictates otherwise. Understanding that, I suggested in my 2nd post that if contributions were going to continue to be made (and obviously they are), that moderators "should restrict any and all audio submissions to only Foley-type sounds". Again, that is what was posted verbatim. Never once, in either of my postings or my response to Moderation Ticket #103580, did I suggest, infer, imply, or recommend that all future sounds be stopped from being uploaded. Neither I, independently, or MORTradio as a group, would support sounds being restricted from being uploaded at Freesound. That concept is ludicrous, and I (we) never suggested it, or suggested a program that allowed it.

Furthermore, the only thing, and I mean the ONLY thing, I suggested that should be stopped (I prefer the term restricted) was any form of music. As I stated:

"Any sort of music (ambiance, soundtrack, loops, etc.) should be rejected."

The suggestion that the moderators restrict any form of music submission was done so under the theory of doing so would make it easier for current and future contributors. Simple rules are easier to follow, obviously. If you recorded a 30 second guitar riff, and Freesound's rule is that they do not accept any form of music, then a reasonable person would not submit the guitar riff, and so on.

Lastly, let us remember that when I made this suggestions in my 2nd post under this thread, I even questioned the workability of my suggestions, and even declared as such. Again, I was at the time of the writing (and still am) keeping an open mind.

Frankly, in my two postings, as well as my response to the Moderation Ticket, I keep my comments professional and respectful, and even at times humorous. My whole debate regarding this subject was tempered by the attitude to the owners/moderators of "this is your thing, and you can do what you want", to which I even stated as such. Again, I kept it professional when posting. I kept it from being personal.

Nevertheless, you did lean towards making this more personal when posting your remarks, so therefore, I shall do the same.

In regards to one of your statements, I believe you are wholeheartedly wrong in your accusation that people "fail to realize" the financial restrictions of Freesound. I believe that the majority of individuals who use Freesound on a regular basis do understand completely that Freesound "isn't a million dollar business". Any time you deal with any Public Domain or Creative Commons License site, it is pretty safe to assume that the site is there through the dedication of all involved (such as with Archive.org), and not because of some large financial backing or reward. What I find disappointing is that you would assume that individuals who posted under this thread, and others using this site, would not realize that. And as for the "million dollars" collectively made by other Freesound members, if such financial gain has occurred (which I highly doubt), then so be it. That is how Creative Commons Licensing Attribution works. Acknowledge credit, that is the only requirement. And as for Public Domain material, that stuff is opened to the whole world. It doesn't even belong to Freesound. Public Domain material is a wonderful, and wicked, thing. Just ask George A. Romero.

In regards to the other comments, to call me, or our group, "silly" for deciding not to upload sounds is rude. Please disagree with me, for an open dialogue is always good. I have no problem with that. But if you are going to have an open debate, be respectful of such. I (we) are not being "silly", or holding any sort of "needless grudge", and you saying as such is discourteous, and more so, wrong. If a situation occurs where one is unhappy regarding the handling or it, or the outcome, then the decision not to enter that situation again is not "silly". If it is "silly", then all of us have been "silly" at one time or another, even yourself. It happens in business transactions all the time. You go into a store, you are not happy with the service, you leave and never go back. Furthermore, no one is holding a "needless grudge". Again, such a comment is disrespectful and wrong. Perhaps because the definition of sound, to ambience, to loop, to music is much too convoluted is be defined, it is then best that both parties do not deal in that particular subject any longer. That is not a "needless grudge", that is agreeing to disagree and moving forward.

And believe me, I (we) still contribute to Freesound, and in a very important way. With the minimal amount of downloads we have done (only 11 downloads), each and every one of those artist, as well as Freesound.org, have been given full and proper credit, and when possible, links to all aforementioned people and entities. That is my practice. That is our practice. And that is our contribution, now and in the future. Anyone who would say otherwise would be foolish.

As always, I wish continue success for Freesound and its contributors.

strangely_gnarled wrote:
Hi guys, I accidentally pressed the spam button on Mortradio in this thread. PLEASE IGNORE.

MORTradio, I'm really sorry, I think you are making a good contribution to this site, and I hope Admin check this out before they take action.

Mortified,
Wibby.

That's all right. we will wear the badge of "Spammer" proudly, whether we am accused as such or it was done accidentally.

AlienXXX wrote:

strangely_gnarled wrote:
Hi guys, I accidentally pressed the spam button on Mortradio in this thread. PLEASE IGNORE.

MORTradio, I'm really sorry, I think you are making a good contribution to this site, and I hope Admin check this out before they take action.

Mortified,
Wibby.

It takes a number of hits on the "report as spam" button before the alarms go off.
So don't worry.

Of course no one else should worry, the spam button click wasn't on them. Yuk-Yuk.

Where in the heck is that spam button anyhow?

The report spam button is not really a button, but just a link. It's at the lower right corner of a comment. On the last comment in a thread it is immediately above the "Post Reply" button, but only appears on comments by relatively new users. I'm getting older and am less sharp than I used to be and accidentally clicked it when I was going for the Post Reply button.

Wibby.