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Seems my sound was used without attribution...
Started March 15th, 2009 · 33 replies · Latest reply by CHAMIR 15 years, 1 month ago
congrats nicStage!
i'm sure lot more sounds here in the freesound database are living in some major productions, they just need some more recognizations
keep catching ! and best luck
tommy / suonho
No offense but this is rediculous. You want credit for a 2 second sample? Is the machine gun sample you made it from public domain? Dude your sound got used by the Prodigy! Get on your knees and thank him for blessing this oppurtunity of much future bragging rights upon you! Come to think of it, I can't wait to tell me friends this story and that I'm merely posting on the same thread as the guy who Liam sampled! That's awesome in itself.
Come on now. How much you want for that sound? He has a hundred sounds in that track and your sound is nothing without his killer production! Liam Howlett is a genious and if he sampled any of my work, I would tell him thank you a billion times!
I don't get some you people. At least like you said, you didn't care too much. This totally makes me not even want to use freesound at all anymore. I have a sample library with around 3gigs of sounds. God only knows who made what. I tried to put a name at the end of the file name but I can't fit an email or anything on a wav. It's impossible to keep track of a full sample sound library.
You should be greatful and feel blessed. The Prodigy just came around here and I missed the show. This totally reminded me of that. Oh well I'm going to hang out with Combichrist on the 28 
lol
P/S I hope you guys don't end up sueing me because I forgot to credit a car horn honk to someone and didn't pay $300 more for all the credits to fit on the CD panel.
monnie101I certainly do want credit for a 2 second sample. And the Creative Commons license states that as a simple requirement for use of the sample. In fact, it's the ONLY requirement, so there shouldn't be any problem in giving the credit. I didn't contact their management regarding this issue for myself as much as for freesound and the concept of the Creative Commons. (BTW: The management was very cool and helpful and they didn't have any objections to my request whatsoever. They offered to add the attribution to the next rev of artwork).
No offense but this is rediculous. You want credit for a 2 second sample? Is the machine gun sample you made it from public domain? Dude your sound got used by the Prodigy! Get on your knees and thank him for blessing this oppurtunity of much future bragging rights upon you! Come to think of it, I can't wait to tell me friends this story and that I'm merely posting on the same thread as the guy who Liam sampled! That's awesome in itself.Come on now. How much you want for that sound? He has a hundred sounds in that track and your sound is nothing without his killer production! Liam Howlett is a genious and if he sampled any of my work, I would tell him thank you a billion times!
I don't get some you people. At least like you said, you didn't care too much. This totally makes me not even want to use freesound at all anymore. I have a sample library with around 3gigs of sounds. God only knows who made what. I tried to put a name at the end of the file name but I can't fit an email or anything on a wav. It's impossible to keep track of a full sample sound library.
You should be greatful and feel blessed. The Prodigy just came around here and I missed the show. This totally reminded me of that. Oh well I'm going to hang out with Combichrist on the 28
P/S I hope you guys don't end up sueing me because I forgot to credit a car horn honk to someone and didn't pay $300 more for all the credits to fit on the CD panel.
How much do I want for the sound? I already stated that I want nothing but the credit that the Creative Commons license it was released under calls for: attribution. I share tons of my material and I'm the last person who will get his undies in a bunch because I think I deserve some sort of material compensation. I never said I did, and I wasn't trying to imply it. I'm sorry you that you imagined that I asked for some sort of material compensation.
I am somewhat offended that you consider my sample to be "nothing" without it being in some pop song, but I understand what it's like to be a fan of an artist. I'm not a big fan of The Prodigy, but I do respect their work enough to not put them down. I've made plenty of my own material, released solo albums and worked with many artists recording and performing live most of my life. You, me, Liam, and most other people here are artists. It doesn't make us special; It just makes us human.
PS: Please do keep using freesound. It's awesome. 
I'm very glad that this worked out. When commercial millionaire-band's legal guys respect free license requirements, it gives me a warm feeling. "Creative Commons success story" ^^. Make sure to post a photo of the album inlay when it comes out.
I created a visual comparison in audacity between the original sound (top) and Omen (second line). Third is Omen time stretched and fourth is normalized. I also created an audio comparison of the original and time-stretched and normalized version (2xoriginal, 2xprodigy, 2xoriginal, 2xprodigy) Files are the same just different formats.
monnie101It's hard work, but it's possible. When you buy a sound library, I believe you also pay for the right not to have to mention each sound's creator or even the library name. Here you pay nothing, but have to work for it by giving attribution.
It's impossible to keep track of a full sample sound library.
Heya Nic I'm sincerely sorry if I offended you. Have some patience and you will soon get a window into my point of view...and possibly understand my plea. Warning in advance grab some coffee and have a soft seat while I take the floor.
I've been frustrated with this credit situation personally. I'll explain where I am coming from a little. I can't go into emmense detail because it requires a ton of writing and a public domain philosophy/theory on share and share alike that takes more time then people would care to maybe read. It even goes back into history and folklore days of tradition in retelling stories and songs. From the days when sharing music and and stories were meant to be shared and altered freely without legality. But I will give you a good window view. You might understand what I'm up against and gain some understanding if I explain where I'm coming from. I have a strong opinion on samples and I strongly believe they should be public domain and I can't understand demanding credit especially when it is less then a second long, especially if it is a samples remixed sample. I'm not meaning to offend you. Your sample is great experimental glitch synth stuff but I just have a different opinion and think we should all be happy campers sharing together all creating art and not being all corporate, gimme the mainstream. I hate the mainstream. Anyone who downloads your stuff appreciates it. Have you ever heard the saying that a good deed done is it's own reward? We are awarded so much here, much more then any credit would do. Heck my car screech has been download over a thousand times, got comments, and rating, that is more then enough reward for me. I just bought a expensive pro studio Mic even better then my previous one, and if I was going to use the site more often, I would upload some very clean samples without background noise, and would want no credit. Just my opinion though and we all have different ones. Maybe mine is not the right one. (I'll be saying that a lot)
I'm very frustrated because I have a CD out in a few weeks and I can't find a person to contact for credit and permission on a track. This is not the first time. The first time I wrote a post on cc mixer similar to the ones I made here, click my name and read my other post here. I made this one recently and the other one long ago on cc mixer. Even though I know they likely will never know I used it, I want to follow the rules asked. My view is that we are all sharing. A guy recently made a video short with a looooong list of credits at the end. He came from this site and used my car screech. I told him he didn't have to credit me but he did. So out of like a hundred people who he credited guess how many went and actually saw his video and supported him through commenting and rating on Veomo? One! Guess who that was? Me. I also posted links to his vid on my music page. I like to help and support people and will always hep people when I can, especially artists.
I'm sorry to say this, I mean no disrespect in saying it, and again it's only my opinion and thoughts but personally as an artist, I feel that it is easier for me to create original sounds on the spot then to go through my HUGE sample library collection aquired thru 9 years picking out samples and having to go through the trouble of crediting these people who likely will never listen to my music. So from now on I am only going to use samples when I have something specific in mind that I know I need. I can just sample commercial stuff legally without crediting issues under fair use and it's usually clean sounding. Something I will try not to do either because even if it is legally, companies and people use the "legally and financially exhaust the person" method of getting their way. What is a win in court if you are too broke and mentally stressed nuts at the end like has been done to many artists. Did you know that even if you give someone permission to use their sample, that they can still sue you and win money off you? That's why you have to pay them at least $1 in the US. I feel like just pulling the people I need permission from, off my CD. I told them I need that paper signed and they been taking a while. I would think they would be happy just to be able to say they were on a CD release. Heck I would! I have been! I was recently on a tribute cd to one of my fav underground bands. I was blessed just to be on it and the money goes to animal rights.
I'm just curious, are you guys artists who have releases and full sample libraries or do you do this as a hobby? Do you realize how many problems result from all this. Even the pressing plant now requires me to have legal signed license agreements for all my samples. Everyone is terrified of being sued! The vinyl pressing plant says that if they find out you don't have all licenses for all your material used, they keep your deposit of $350 just for the trouble and work they did up until that point!! I ask because I wonder how many know what it's like to go through this issue of credits, permission, and legal issues. Artists go through this all the time but I am an indipendant struggling artist with no team of lawyer sharks to aid me. Thank goodness for the Prodigy that nic is a nice guy cause if nic was one of those people I will nicely call, "difficult people" then their could be a whole court issue. Which reminds me I still need to have 3 legal documents signed before I go to press my CD release. This post has helped me make up my mind on the issue. While it is possible to credit a hundred to a thousand people or more for samples used on a CD, it is very tiresome, frustrating, especially when those people are likely to never hear it. It's not worth it to me. And unless you have produced a full electronica or hiphop or other sample based music, I sincerely don't think one understands the full process of creating, keeping track of what is used in the song rather then what is tried, and to what ends up on the whole CD. Again like I said that's my opinion, don't let it get you down. I merely state it so that you may have an outlook to add to your own. If after you read my post you still think you want to be credited for every sample you submit, then well at least you were open minded and heard me out.
Do you understand the likely reason why Liam of the Prodigy did not credit you? He runs more risk in crediting you for many reasons. Law suits can develop from you, the original sampler of the sample, the website. etc. I'm not talking out my but my here, I was working on building a record label at one point and John fro Boston's Cherry Disk told me it's not worth it and told me of all his troubles and the downfall of the Boston label. I stacked myself with books on the subject and had some startup capitol. But not I'm just going to keep releasing just my own stuff and hopefully some artists online, and distributing mainly online and thru local record stores.
Also another big problem is that crediting someone and asking permission runs the risk of greater problems then if one kept quiet. I got examples why but I think I wrote too much already. Anywhoo, thanks for hearing me out.
So obviously Liam H is a user on this site. Where does he lurk one wonders who his username is. Come out Liam wherever you are. Show your mug hehe.
EDIT / CLARIFICATION: Their are times when I think a credit should be given. For example if one uses professional soundman Richard Humpries great professional long background sounds or you use a large piece of someone's work that makes up a big portion of a song. I just don't believe IMO that people should require credit mention for car honks and the shortness of the like. I believe we are thanked already more then enough in multitude of ways
monnie101
Attribution requirements make life harder for me. (abstract)
I agree, giving attribution is hard work. In my opinion it should be done always, because it 1) is nice 2) gives security (as you know the legality and source of the sound)
If you want to be an advocate of attribution-less licensing, you first read about public domain and cc0. You will find out that public domain is problematic, as it does not exists everywhere. Then you could write an essay on how using cc0 solves people's problems. The text above contains one position (the position of an artist trying to satisfy his label) which could be written in much less words and is not convincing enough (more perspectives/positions are needed for a good discussion I'd say).
Great news nicStage! It's a great opportunity to make the freesound project grow, as a lot of people are actually going to buy the album and some of them will surely see the credit for the page and maybe get interested, even people on the music buissness will see it and learn about the amazing work here on freesound.org! This really proves that the Creative Commons will be taken more and more seriously as time goes by 
Thanks for tking the time to contact the band and thanks to the free sound project for all the work you make! I will be always supporting the cause, and I will certainly donate once I have money myself! :wink: 
Thanks!
hye there .. i am working on my first elbum ... i am voclist and the composer until i find some one to play for me i am using pc to make tunes and etc .. so i have a question can i use any of sounds in my own song ???? i hope this is why we here for ??
So you can do ANYTHING you want, AS LONG AS (if you're a musician) something like "Some samples from www.freesound.org" is in the linear notes at least? This site is REALLY making me productive, and I'd hate to not credit anyone, so I figure I'd credit you all!
Yes, well, a bit more detailed, you'll have to put each sample creator's name in. Freesound.org isn't necessary to put in (and also not sufficient on its own).
And you cannot do ANYTHING, you can't use the sounds in commercials (advertisements) (unless it's an advertisement for the song you created using freesounds).
Of course, you can contact the sound creators to ask for more permissions. If you can't attribute them for example, ask for permission to use it anyway. If you get a real good offer for a song to be used in a commercial, you technically can't accept, but you can ask for permission.
You know, that sound is one of my favourite bits of Omen, The Prodigy has lost some cool points, i was wondering how they'd made it!
It sounds like your sample put through an amp or amp simulator!