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Did anyone try this ?

http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectId=757&ParentId=114

http://www.edirol.net/products/en/R-09/

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I considered this but got Zoom H4 instead.
Regards.
Tim

I got one last Xmas. It has been thoroughly reviewed many times, lots of info out there (see for example http://www.taperssection.com). Also links in this post: http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1497)

Major concerns are the small screen, fragile mic and line-in input connectors, and a battery/card compartment door which has to be manipulated carefully. Built-in mics are omnis, so it cannot give good stereo images. Beaten by the H4 IMO as a standalone recorder, yet simpler and very good for use with an external preamp (which I do)

saludos

We just got an R9 at work, sounds great. I'm gonna pick one up for myself.

dobroide
...and very good for use with an external preamp (which I do)

saludos

I use the R-09 with a Sound Devices MixPre and it's perfect.

digifish

digifishmusic

dobroide
...and very good for use with an external preamp (which I do)

saludos

I use the R-09 with a Sound Devices MixPre and it's perfect.

digifish

But the R09 hasn´t symmetric inputs, correct?

-Erdie

Erdie

But the R09 hasn´t symmetric inputs, correct?

-Erdie

You mean balanced inputs? No, but the MixPre has a line-out (3.5 mm jack) so it's from that to the line-in on the R-09. This is as good as you would ever need.

Note that the MixPre however is a USD$650 preamp with a $350 recorder...so it's not for everyone.

digifishmusic.

digifishmusic
You mean balanced inputs? No, but the MixPre has a line-out (3.5 mm jack) so it's from that to the line-in on the R-09. This is as good as you would ever need.
digifishmusic.

please, digifish (or any other willing to answer): at what gain should one set the R09 when fed line-level from a preamp, mixing board, etc? I'm asking because I use a Shure FP24 (twin of the Mix-pre), and whenever I set the R09 at more than 5 the clip light blinks well *before* the clip light in the preamp. This likely means the preamp is sending a signal that's too hot for the recorder but, am I right at thinking that its better to trust the preamp rather than the recorder at determining clipping levels (?) What do you think?

saludos

dobroide

digifishmusic
You mean balanced inputs? No, but the MixPre has a line-out (3.5 mm jack) so it's from that to the line-in on the R-09. This is as good as you would ever need.
digifishmusic.

please, digifish (or any other willing to answer): at what gain should one set the R09 when fed line-level from a preamp, mixing board, etc? I'm asking because I use a Shure FP24 (twin of the Mix-pre), and whenever I set the R09 at more than 5 the clip light blinks well *before* the clip light in the preamp. This likely means the preamp is sending a signal that's too hot for the recorder but, am I right at thinking that its better to trust the preamp rather than the recorder at determining clipping levels (?) What do you think?

saludos

Hi Saludos,

Wow you must be recording some hot sources, why not just turn them down a little, it's better to run a FP24, for example at a low gain setting anyway as there is less hiss (not that it has much in the first place )

On the R-09 an input level setting of 8 is apparently no gain. So less than that is attenuation, 5 is not a bad thing (but as I said, above, is something preventing you turning the input to the R-09 down?).

The levels showing on the R-09 and FP24 are sort of independent, by this I mean you have to look out for clipping on either, but be guided by the level showing on the R-09 for final recording level. In this case you really need to trust the R-09 clip-light as that is the input to the A/D converter.

Ideally you want the FP24 to clip before the R-09 does, as it's analog clipping and much nicer than digital clipping...but you shouldn't need to suffer either. What level are you running the FP24 at?

EDIT: Note that setting levels on preamps is not the same as the digital recorder...there is no problem with having the preamp turned down so that only a few units on the dB meter are lit up, so long as it's giving your recorder enough level. Suggestion then - Set the R-09 to 8 and then use the FP24 levels to set the recording level. Set it so that it doesn't clip...job done!?

digifish

digifishmusic

Wow you must be recording some hot sources, why not just turn them down a little, it's better to run a FP24, for example at a low gain setting anyway as there is less hiss (not that it has much in the first place )

digifish

Got it, thanx! No, I'm not fond of hot sources. On the contrary, most often I register natural soft noises and rarelly if ever have troubles with clipping. But every now and then a dynamic source (e.g. rainstorm, thunder) comes out, that's why I asked. Clipping is never far with a dynamic source since my main mic is very sensitive (senn k6 with a ME66 capsule).

So, it's a matter of being careful about *both* clip lights. Thank you!

cheers

dobroide

So, it's a matter of being careful about *both* clip lights. Thank you!

cheers

Indeed.

Does the FP24 have built in limiter? The MixPre does and works well to catch unexpectedly loud noises.

digifish.

digifishmusic

Does the FP24 have built in limiter? The MixPre does and works well to catch unexpectedly loud noises.

digifish.

dobroide

digifishmusic

Does the FP24 have built in limiter? The MixPre does and works well to catch unexpectedly loud noises.

digifish.

Yep, it has. Actually the FP24 is just a re-labelled Mix-pre, they are identical. Best investment I've done to date, makes me happy. That is... except for the price. Oh well, you live only once

Indeed. If only Behringer would copy it we could have them for $100

digifish

dobroide
Major concerns are the small screen, fragile mic and line-in input connectors, and a battery/card compartment door which has to be manipulated carefully. Built-in mics are omnis, so it cannot give good stereo images. Beaten by the H4 IMO as a standalone recorder, yet simpler and very good for use with an external preamp (which I do)

Mirko