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Hi all,
I enjoy very much working with some of the samples offered here, but what I can not find is
samples from a live playing string ensemble:
Single notes in unison with only soft tremolo, each loud and soft,
from the double bass section B2, E1, A1, D, G, c, f, bflat, the same for the
violoncelli: C, F, Bflat, eflat, and so on up to the next c, the same for the
violas starting from c,and finally the same for the
violins starting naturally from g.
If anyone has an idea of where to get those samples from (maybe with small variations concerning the pitches), I'd be very happy.
It seems it is very difficult to draw those samples from normal orchestral recordings, such as Beethoven's 4th concerto for piano, the second movement.
Any idea, please? I can not afford hiring an orchestra
Best
Mad Musicologist

I'm interested as well. Thanks

dpg4macman

Yeah, there are some, but they are so expensiver I rather might better hire an orchestra.
But I found out how to activate the sounds calles Alesis Classical Instruments Q Card", which are stored in my good old Cakewalk 8.0 (!), for a backing sound they are not bad. Just I have to search for the right sound very long, as all the instrment names are apparently arbitrary, "Welcome" is a grand piano, for example, and some of the so called "flute" sounds are actually the strings I was looking for. But once found, I shall sort this out (maybe I can rename the patches?), so actually this is what I have to tell right now.
But: Any Idea where to purchase Cakewalk 9 from? At Cakewalk, they naturally only offer the latest stuff. So there should be another way to get it (I am hoping there are some more sounds and some other utilities that I am still missing in CW8.0).
Best
Mad Musicologist.

These are many single notes and I notice they've added loopable phrases. Would be very easy to re-orchestrate them in Fruityloops or Acid or some other loop/sample arranger. The link below is beyond wicked:

http://www.philharmonia.co.uk/thesoundexchange/sound_samples/sample_libraries/

omg... allow me to bump this... yes sir... beyond wicked... thank you for this link! :twisted:

Hi all,
yes, they are good!
The orchestral shock is really heavy.
But: the string notes are always single (or better to say soloistic) instruments.
I am looking for those single notes played by say ten violins (or double basses, violoncelli or violas), and then of course long enough to build samples, and in loud, soft, and some different articulations.
Anyway, I've written to them and made the suggestion with precise details.
Hopefully that helps.
Or, is there any other site known to offer this kind of material?
Best
Mad Musicologist.

well.. if you are down with plug-ins and you have a lot of RAM (and cash, or a bit torrent client)... i say this isn't that bad of a solution.... http://www.roland.com/PRODUCTS/EN/HQ-OR/index.html

It'd be much easier to do it yourself than hire or write score for such a thing. If you want 10 violas, then copy the sounds you want X 10. Acid will do this more easily than breathing.

@ stickman:
Thanks for this hint, but they do not give a hint about the thingy's price. And, they sell it "• Bundled with Cakewalk Music Creator sequencer software.•" So it might be a roundabout USD 1.000,- product.
I shall only be dreaming of that kind of stuff, njamnjam, slurp, but I am surely not gonna have it. :cry: :cry:
But I could give it a try to find what kind of sounds the guys of Cakewalk have stored in my CW8.0, they have some Roland stuff inside.
@ lonemonk:
If I'd just copy the sound of 1 viola ten times, I's have to alter the sound every time a bit, otherwise the sound only will become louder. I had tried this out, and even when altering the start points of each sample I copy into the previous one, the sounds are easily to be heard as artificial.
Anyway, thanks for the hint: what is Acid precisely doing?
Best
Mad Musicologist.

Acid (or the like) does nothing more than let you compile multiple and overlapping single sounds (or loops or long segments) into compositions. One of the things that a program like this allows is the ability to adjust the level of each sample (Or loop or segment). You're very correct that if all instruments are played without individual volume adjustment, the overall thing will get ugly fast, but that is what 'mixing' audio is all about. (In a live Orchestra this is done my arranging the musicians so that louder instruments (Brass, etc) do not clobber the piccolo or flute. Electronic recording techniques do this with volume knobs and faders for each sound)

A program such as this also allows each sample to be minutely adjusted in any way (tempo, pitch, tone, volume, etc) which is what would allow a bunch of similar (or even identical) samples to sound different and (hopefully) complimentary.

Thanks 4 this explanation, so I really should try out "Acid".
It seems I 've made myself a fool before all of you ops: : What Cakewalk 8.0 simply does is ASSIGING patches for the MIDI out, and when you connect the Synth with the wanted soundpatches in the internal card, or memory, Cakewalk will make that synth to play the patches. It is apparently NOT that the sound themselves are already inside CW 8.0. I blew it all when I fond that the Roland Orchestral Expansion appeared in the patches definition checkbox. At least I'd have to get those patches into my CREATIVE Soundblaster Card, and have them in the SoundFontBankManager there. Otherwise I'd have to change to a different Cakewalk Version like SONAR 1.0 or later. Maybe there are very much more sound inside than in CW 8.0: I'll check that as well.
Best
Mad Musicologist.

well, not that i would ever condone or admit to using pirated software... but there is the option of downloading a torrent client such as "bittorrent" or "utorrent" and downloading the desired software with a "crack".. almost ALL desired software can be found... a very close friend of mine downloaded the latest version of the edirol orchestral program and found it to work amazingly well for him... his computer was just a bit to slow to push it wide open... i use fruityloops in much the same way as the acid solution... so there are ways...

In regards to Edirol HQ-OR I purchased it a few months ago for about $200 with shipping.
I don't know if it still is, but it took me a little time on Google to find a place with it. If you really want I can try to find the link for it and see if they still sell it.
But from a half assed memory off the top of my head I think it really only had tremolo's with a single instrument and a tremolo set with a group of instruments. Different versions of other technique playing on strings but seems kind of limited.

If you got to

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=215536

Talks about some alternatives to it. I think Garritan and EWQL Silver have similar price ranges and probably better sounding instruments from what people say. Haven't really looked at other suggestions. They might have differently recorded instruments of each type for what you need.

I would only go with Edirol HQ-OR if you have low ram like I do.(128 MB) The other programs had requirements that were just too much for the computer I was working with. HQ-OR seems a bit over priced but it did what I needed so I can't complain much.