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Why Freesound if it´s not a Freesound??
Started June 9th, 2016 · 24 replies · Latest reply by b00tsy 8 years, 3 months ago
Hi!
My question is maybe naive or stupid, but why they have the name ´´FREESOUND´´ if the sounds can not be used as a free content. It´s free download, but you can not use it as a free sound?
Why?
Thanks for the answers.
https://www.freesound.org/help/faq/#what-do-i-need-to-do-to-legally-use-the-files-on-freesound
- bram
Sonoquilibrium wrote:
Hi!My question is maybe naive or stupid, but why they have the name ´´FREESOUND´´ if the sounds can not be used as a free content. It´s free download, but you can not use it as a free sound?
Why?
Thanks for the answers.
Did you get the sound for free? Yes. That's why it's called freesound.
I wanted just to talk about the word ´´FREE SOUND´´. On my website, I have a section of Free Sounds / Freebies and whoever download sounds, it´s free to use them in projects as he/she wants and if he/she wants can mention the owner of the sounds in his/her project.
Here are freesound.org they have laws, that when you download you are not 100% free to use them like a free sound. I wanted to say, that BRAM (Administrator of the Freesound.org) could change the name of the page. Of course this is just my opinion.
Freesounds on my website
And you are free to use them like you want!
http://www.sonoquilibrium.com/freebies/
And more Free Sounds you can find on my Soundcloud Account
https://soundcloud.com/sonoquilibrium
Sonoquilibrium
You are confused perhaps by the meaning of the words.
free = you don't need to pay to get it. Does not mean it is not copyrighted.
public domain = You can do whatever you want with it, can commercialize it and don't even need to say where you got it from.
Some sounds at Freesound are under the CC0 license, which is equivalent to 'public domain'. But some require that you give attribution and some even forbid commercial use (i.e. you cannot use those sounds for anything that generates an income for yourself).
The license for each sound is clearly displayed on each sound page.
It is easy to use filters during your search so that only CC0 sounds come up, if that is what you are interested in.
There iis no charge to download or use the sounds or a membership fee.
This site is called FREESOUND, not PUBLICDOMAINSOUND. So the designation is correct,
Sonoquilibrium,
As AlienXXX already mentioned, "free" can mean many things. An interesting page to read on this would be:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gratis_versus_libre
Some of our sounds are very libre (cc0) , some of them are a little less libre (attribution and attribution-non-commercial), but all our sounds are gratis.
Actually, I'm quite confused: you refer to your soundcloud page, but I clicked around a bit and I couldn't find a single gratis, nor libre sound on it!
greetings,
- bram
Ah I finally did find some sounds which are free, however, you do not set them *explicitly* to be public domain. This means the sounds are still 100% copyright by you, especially because SoundCloud defaults to full copyright. You could try this:
But notice that SoundCloud does not provide a fully libre license like cc-zero. So, some of your sounds might be gratis. All of them are 0% libre currently.
- bram
When I googled ´´free ocean wave sounds´´, the browser gave me this page. Here the rules are similar like in some other pages, where they sell sounds but free means free there.
I think, the administrator of this page used the name with purpose that the browser gives you results with this website. I found a page with also less strict conditions and they are not called ´´free´´.
I am happy that in this discussion I see that ´´the pole still has two ends´´ and it´s right like that!
P.S.
A question for you:
If i would ask for example 100 random people what for them means Free Sound, what kind of answers would I get?
Wish you to have a nice Sunday!
Best, Matej
I believe this discussion is quite pointless (or should I say frivolous, excuse my poor macaronic English), but a bit of historical perspective may help: freesound is 10 years old (http://blog.freesound.org/?p=603). I mean, the expectations of users searching for 'free' sounds may have varied since freesound was created: current users have grown in the lap of luxury as regards internet sound resources, so some of them simply can't stand limits. Should freesound.org change its name because of this? No in my opinion, overindulgence wont help a spoiled brat.
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Sonoquilibrium wrote:
If i would ask for example 100 random people what for them means Free Sound, what kind of answers would I get?
This is an experiment you can actually try for yourself, using the many free online survey engines.
You could actually post the question here in teh forums in the form of a vote. - But since this is already a website dedicated to uploading and downloading sounds, maybe the 100 answers would not really come from truly 'random people'.
The human language and humans themselves have become so complex that a word can mean many different things depending on context and application. - This is actually a good thing: poetry would not exist otherwise.
Amazingly, our brains are able to interpret the correct meaning most of the time, even when each word in a sentence can have multiple meanings, and thus communication is possible.
In other types of languages, such as computer languages, the syntax is incredibly fixed. Multiple meanings are not possible, each line of code has only one interpretation. Computers lack our ability to deal with a trully complex language.
So, what does 'free' mean?
We could take many contexts: phylosofical, religious, financial, legal...
But if we cut all the crap and go down to basics, there are only 2 meanings of 'free' in common English language. - excluding any special contexts, poetical applications, etc.
(In this point, I disagree with snv1985 as to what those meanings are)
1 - for material goods or services, FREE means that the goods or services are available for no monetary charge.
2 - For sensient beings, the word FREE means not in captivity, encarcerated, emprisioned.
Meaning number 2 would take us into an endless debate: Does freedom really exist? Societies have laws and rules, so maybe we are never free.
Some argue that even the concept of 'free will' is an illusion, since the chemistry in our brains follows the laws of Physics all our thoughts and decisions are indeed a result of those laws. Meaning freedome does not exist at all.
Since we have limited lifespans, it would probably be a waste to debate point 2.
Lets agree that the discussions should be limited to point 1 instead.
At FREESOUND the sounds are provided for FREE (you pay nothing!).
Any restriction to what you are free to do with the sounds does not relate to FREESOUND itself, but to the laws of copyright whithin which we all should operate.
Many sounds at Freesound are under CC0 license. Making them trully free from cost and copyright obligations. So many (although not all) sounds here are free in both senses.
Sonoquilibrium wrote:
Wish you to have a nice Sunday!
I wish the same to you.
snv1985 wrote:
So the real freedom is what you're free to do and at what cost.
A bird knows no money, yet is free.
snv1985 wrote:
If you need a license to walk outside of a prison, then you're no more free than a prisoner.
This is also wrong. We all need licenses: a passport, a visa, a driving-license, a travel ticket, a cinema ticket. These are all forms of licenses. The difference is between those who can obtain a license and those who cannot: a known terrorist would not get a visa, a drunken driver would get banned from driving, etc. It is not always about money.
snv1985 wrote:
I think copyleft licenses, like GPL and CC-BY-SA, should be clearly marked as demi-free, as they just don't deserve to be called free, because you're free to do X, but not free to do Y.
Was it Saint Augustin that said: "our freedom ends where the freedom of the next person begins"?
I like the Attribution licenses: first, it is the digital age equivalent of the old-fashioned good manners of saying "thank you" when someone gives you something for free.
Second, it gives the creator of the original work (sound, in this case) a chance to know what his work is being used for (at least if it is online).
You are, of course, FREE to disagree. In which case, don't use sounds or other works under CC licenses.
@ snv1985
Sorry, don't meant to be rude.
What I mean to say is that maybe the CC license is not ideal for you as a user. However, we must respect the wishes of the creator who decided to release his/her work under such license.
I seem to have got a bit worked up in this discussion. I want to finish on a positive note.
Many Freesound users are nice people and quite proud of seeing their work used. If you need a different license for a specific purpose, you should try to contact the creator of the work. - Often they will grant you a special license.
I hope continue to use and enjoy Freedound.
Appologies if I got a bit too aggressive in my argument.
Like you would like to see people's responses to your work, the same way the people who contribute sounds to this database would like to see some feedback to their work, that is why crediting is desirable or necessary. Anyway you can use any sound privately for free until you make public or commercial use of it, isn't it great ? And you can also edit change the sound until it becomes a new sound. It's about sharing fun...
There are two reasons that render the whole 'free vs non-free' controversy uninteresting to me. Firstly, in my opinion the very concept of freedom is an abstraction created by humans, it is completely irrelevant to the natural world which to me is the only 'real word'. Secondly, even though the concept of freedom is very important to some humans (specially those in early class ages, in which I'm not), in practice human freedom means simply being (or not) able to take decissions: I'll do this but not that. So, if you can make a choice you are free. Simple!
Freesound users are actually quite free as they can take one of three options: 1) I'll use this sound and comply with the linked condition (the so-called 'license'); 2) I'll use it but wont credit (I don't believe in karma, fu** the license); or 3) I wont use it, there are many other great samples around. Simple!
But sounds cannot be 'free' or 'not free', they are just sounds.
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I have no problem with people using my sounds for free on any project on Youtube or any other website. However I would really appreciate getting proper credit & a link to the project so I can check it out and share it with others to see where my sounds are being used. I would love to see a personal blog section on our profile pages were we could post these links to share and or the person that downloaded the sound doing the project could also post them there. (I suppose that could be done under the comments section?)
FREE SOUNDS HERE:
http://freesound.org/people/4barrelcarb/
This is the forum to post 'your work made with Freesounds'
https://www.freesound.org/forum/your-work-made-with-freesounds/
People who download any sounds from here have an account, so they can post here to tell us what they yave done and share a link.
If I select public domain. Does that mean someone could take my sounds and add them to a library they want to sell on another site? Let's just say audioblocks like the quality of my work and took them and put them on their paid site, is that possible?
I'm happy for people to use the sounds on paid work/productions but I'm not happy for a company who provides sounds for money to get paid off my hard work.